(The fact that it is called "Oracle" -- another little interesting quasi-religious nod to a self-described genetic mystic.....although I'm not sure the authors and creators would agree.)
Anyway, ponder this as the components for the average "Central European from Utah". (these are percentages)---
CEU30 - 22 participants sampled
Amerindian = 0.4
East Asian = 0.2
African = 0.3
Atlantic/Baltic = 75.3
Australasian = 0.2
Siberian = 0.3
Caucasus/Gedorosia - 11.1
Southern - 11.3
South Asian = 1
World9 Spreadsheet, Dodecad
So, some will say that the small numbers are noise -- they might be. Noise is a concept I need to explore further. There are plenty out there who believe 'noise' just means you cannot find an adequate scientific or historical rationale for a certain group showing up in your particular group. Others say it is just a math problem. I'm not sure, but I find this interesting to contemplate.
As you look at the spreadsheet, you can find some surprising places for Amerindian -- I will just put those that are above 0.4 -- (CEU level):
Russian_D @ 0.7
Irish_D @ 0.6
German_D @ 0.5
Finnish_D @ 0.8
Swedish_D @ 0.5
British Isles @ 0.4
Kurd D@ 0.7
I am interested in Amerindian DNA occurring in groups where the average citizen would assume it doesn't "belong" for a variety of reasons. Mormonism has a long, complicated and often overlooked relationship with Native Americans. I have seen it described as a "colonializing" relationship, which certainly has a ring of truth to it, but I'm interested in another possibility. Relationships that could perhaps still be called "colonializing", but on a more personal, one-to-one level, done through the institute of marriage. While I realize it is premature and likely misleading to take the above numbers too seriously, I still want to know what is really being measured. And, I have this hunch that certain of the founders of Mormonism had authentic Amerindian DNA. The CEU sample would likely be a conglomerate of the early Colonial Americans, British, Danish and other miscellaneous countries that formed the original 'founding families' of Mormonism. So, likely those who took the samples had no interest in focusing only on those with early American ancestry, which would give a better picture of who early colonialist Americans were, not just early Mormons.
One other possibility, probably more likely, is that those numbers reflect some very ancient relationship, before the proto-Native American crossed the Bering Straits. Some of my calculators were showing a higher percentage for Native American for me than I thought possible, given my calculations for the genetic contributions of the persons in my tree with the most "American" of origins.
My dad's Harappa World percentages |
It would be fun to assume that this somehow gives credence to the numbers shown in the percentages to the right, however, I found out something else is likely going on, and likely indicates what Harappa World is picking up on is an ancient affiliation with Native Americans. At least for this stretch of DNA shown below -- which appears on my dad's 8th chromosome.
This stretch of DNA on my dad's 8th chromosome also registered as Native American when analyzed by Douglas McDonald, a retired professor who will most kindly analyze this
data. He said the Amerindian that was appearing in his results was most likely not real. It shows up on the same chromosome though -- chromosome 8.
I was able to do a segment analysis for that piece, and found out that my dad shares it with a woman from Finland -- meaning we likely have Finnish ancestry, and this is probably not through any of our colonial American ancestors. However, it doesn't prove anything about whether or not Solomon Mack has Native American ancestry, because Solomon Mack didn't give all of his DNA to my dad....
P.S.
I found this from Davidski of Eurogenes and GEDmatch fame in relation to the ancient relationship of Amerindians and prehistoric "upper" Europeans-- he is helping someone else understand their results--
"Keep in mind that Europeans, and especially Northern, Central and Eastern Europeans, apparently share prehistoric ancestry with Amerindians...."
Many Mormons from Utah don't release they have Roma Gypsy DNA. The American surnames for Roma blood are common to Mormon ones for example: Cooper, Smith, White, Boswell, Martin, etc. If you have southeast Asian, or Balkan, or Amerindians/Iran etc., you probably have Roma Gypsy ancestors who hide in the west merging with the Mormon pioneers. Is it not obvious by the wagons from the Mormon pilgrimage and the ones the Roma used in Europe? American pioneer wagons are just a basic version of the European Roma Vardo. Many early American immigrants hide their Roma Gypsy roots and joined the Mormon pilgrimages. Especially the Romanichal, Sinti, and Dutch. We know over 1000 years ago they left North India, through the caucus mountains of Pakistan, mixing with Asian, traveling the silky roads before coming into Europe. Many of the early American settlers came to America through indentured servant arrangements. It was not uncommon for the Irish Travellers and Roma, upon paying off their master's for freedom, to come westward with the Mormon pioneers joining them and never sharing their lower-class roots. But the dna tells us and so does the same surnames that this happen more than most Morman families today realize. Ones who didn't convert, stayed in the Virgina, WV, TN, Pennsylvania, Ohio and southern states often times still knowing their Roma roots and hide secretly among the gorgers.
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