Wednesday, October 2, 2013

Dad's Dodecad Oracle X -- Population Fitting

These results illustrate a little bit of why we wonder about the accuracy or exactly what we can say with precision about any of these tests:

Dodecad V3




Dodecad K12B



Dodecad K7B





Dodecad World9



What I find a little odd about these Oracle X results, is that they don't really seem to mesh with the Mixed Mode population results.  For example, in Dodecad K7B, my dad consistently shows up as Moroccan, Mozabite, Moroccan Jew at a small percentage.  I believe this is accurate, since I have looked at his Rare SNPs and found matches with Haiti only, Morocco only or both Haiti and Morocco.  However, here K7b on Oracle X comes up with some new, unmentioned groups that I want to learn more about, but with whom connections are probably most like distant cousins than descendants.  (If that makes sense.)

I'm going to make a list now of new groups found through Oracle X, that haven't been mentioned in the other Oracles.  A few of them show as 0%, or 0% in one option but some percentage in the other option.  My understanding is in this tool, if it shows up at all, it is because it registered something, although obviously slight.  Also ASW -- is African American from Southwest. (Surely they mean South East US...?).  IBS is Iberian Spanish.  CEU is Utahns.

Athabaskan -- A Native American link, possibly.  Definitely think it could be possible, based on the Mormon lore.  Although the groups in Wikipedia appear to be geographically unlikely -- I think Algonquian is the term for the Native groups of the Northeast, and that seems most probable to me, since that is the side of America that was colonized first.  However, it could still be a stand-in for that -- although why not Finnish, too, if they are linked via Siberia?

Ecuadorian -- Ecuadorians appear to be primarily indigenous (Native American), Spaniard & also sub-Saharan African.  Soooo, it's possible we have all three of those, they just weren't 'assembled' in Ecuador.

Colombian / CLM 30 (also Columbian) -- " Colombians are predominantly Roman Catholic and are a mixture of Europeans, Africans, Middle Easterners and Amerindians."  So, also possible we have the Middle East in my dad, along with the other three ethnic groups also found in Ecuadorians.

Papuan --  From New Guinea.  I'm just not sure how this fits in.

Hadza-He -- From Tanzania, lower east Africa.  This could be the Subsaharan.  I understand that African DNA has had much more time to 'speciate' or differentiate itself, so I wonder why it isn't possible to get a finer-tuned reading on the African DNA.  (I also get Yoruba, Luhya, Bantu-Zulu, Masaai....)

Dominican -- This seems plausible, given the Haiti/ Morocco rare SNP finding.

Khasi -- "The Khasi are an indigenous or tribal people, the majority of whom live in the State of Meghalaya in north east India, with small populations in neighbouring Assam, and in parts of Bangladesh."  Perhaps one of our English folk is a gypsy......

Bonda -- "The Bonda (also known as the Bondo, Bondo Poraja, Bhonda, or Remo) are an ancient tribe of people numbering approximately 12,000 (2011 census) who live in the isolated hill regions of the Malkangiri district of southwestern Odisha, India, near the junction of the three states of Odisha, Chhattisgarh, and Andhra Pradesh." -- Perhaps the same gypsy connection....

Paniya--- Appears to be another  way of naming an India connection

Gara -- Wikipedia isn't finding an ethnicity that corresponds to this name.  Interestingly, it is a Basque newspaper, part of several Romanian village names, a village in Iran & a town in Morocco -- all which may or may not be what is meant here.

Cambodians -- Not sure how this would apply.  I have heard Davidski or others on 23andme forums say something about Asian being a stand-in for the proto-European, since Europeanism apparently evolved from Asianism.  (I know those aren't words.)
Khmer 90%, Vietnamese 5%, Chinese 1%, other 4%.[3]

Juang -- "One of the primitive tribes, surviving from the stone age, of Odisha, India".  My dad gets several cave men type results on another tool on GEDmatch.  More so than anyone else I saw on the 23andme forums.  He's just primitive somehow.  Most of those cavemen are from Europe, like Otzi the Iceman.  I guess this is just another one of his cave-people ancestors.

Gadaba -- Another way of naming an India connection.  "The Gadabas are one of the Scheduled Tribes of India."

Cypriots -- From Cyprus, the Mediterranean country.

Cantabria -- Sounds pretty.  "Cantabria (English /kænˈtɑːbriə/, /kænˈtæbriə/; Spanish: [kanˈtaβɾja]) is a Spanish historical community[2] and autonomous community with Santander as its capital city. It is bordered on the east by the Basque Autonomous Community (province of Biscay), on the south by Castile and León (provinces of León, Palencia and Burgos), on the west by the Principality of Asturias, and on the north by the Cantabrian Sea (Bay of Biscay)."

Sardinian -- A Mediterranean island.  Possibly more evidence of my dad's primitive essence.  (haha)  They are a very interesting group from a genetic perspective -- 


"Sardinians are one of the most genetically isolated populations in Europe, though they are the single population that encloses all of the genetic characteristics of the Europeans, such as the highest variability of the Y chromosome found among the European peoples.[32][33][34][35]
According to some studies, along with the Basques they represent an example of a pre-Indo-European population surviving in Europe from the Paleolithic period.[36][37]

Pulliyar -- Appears to be another India reference

Russian -- Garsh.  Maybe his R1a1a haplogroup?   That haplogroup has high saturation there -- 33.4 to 49%.  The average is 46.7%.
"Autosomally, Russians are generally similar to populations in central-eastern Europe[48]"


Sidi -- Well, I think it's supposed to be spelled "Siddi" -- that would be another way of naming an India connection.  Or, maybe Pakistan....

Fulani -- A West African group -- They are in Guinea, but are they in New Guinea? I just keep thinking about a phrase in Spanish -- "Fulano de tal" -- which is the Spanish (Mexican?) way of saying "What'shisname".  Which is sometimes what this genetic exercise makes me feel like.

Bulala -- African.  A Muslim people from Chad.  Apparently influenced by French colonialism.

Mada -- I'm not sure, but I think it's another way of naming an India connection.  I like this statement I found about an exemplar of this group, also known as the Yousafzai, a Pashtoon tribe: 

The Yousafzai is an agriculturist, generally fine, well-limbed man, of a good physique and appearance with great deal of race-pride, well dressed and cheery, while his hospitality is proverbial.


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